Shaka and Paul discuss the legacy of Daniel Moi and Sudan’s decision to have deposed president Omar al-Bashir appear before the International Criminal Court to face war crimes charges. Shaka also responds to criticism that he is out of touch and not “African enough” to be talking about issues on the continent. “Everything in me is rooted in Africa, even though I live in America,” he says. The conversation continues about the locust invasion in East African countries and the importance of respecting the constitution in a democratic country without “changing the goalposts” to perpetuate staying in power.